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I got an invite just thought i'd check it out

cool thanks for joining iron

Hi Aaron

Hi, Brian

Hello everyone

Hey welcome

How long has everyone been fastsizing? me? March will make 2 years

On and off for 5 years.

8 years for me, except I never wear mine ;)

kidding

I've been into PE for about 7 years now. Looks like Brian has me beat!

Cool i've gone almost everyday no more than 3 hrs a day extreme stretch for almost 2 years

very good iron

i've been in PE for 8 years

Wel seeing as it's 2pm now, if anyone has any jelqing related questions go for it, otherwise we can just wait for some more guys to cycle in.

how much growth have you seen ironwill,brain,aaron

Hi none

hey

Also I should note, Aaron has written a book you might like to check out:

Me? it's weird I haven't noticed any but when i've measured it's a good bit. I gained so far 1 1/2 inches

i have been PE4 month and have seen .5 in length and.5 in girth

Hi 20. I've gained 2 inches in length and 1 inch in girth, the majority of which was in the first several months. The other was on and off over the years as I exercised my penis for the best reason of them all: Rock-hard erections.

Thanks, Brad :)

Me? it's weird I haven't noticed any but when i've measured it's <br>a good bit. I gained so far 1 1/2 inches in length and 1/2 inch in girth

Aarron how long did you FS a day?

Iron: Aaron is primarily here today to talk about manual penis stretching, that's a link to his book there Brad just posted

Alright

I've got a copy in front of me now, it's pretty comprehensive

@iron: Good question. I started several years ago, and didn't use an extender as back then hanging was all-the-rage

I opted out of hanging and stuck with manual exercises (jelqing, stretching, ULIs, etc.)

I just ordered a Bib Hanger

I certainly will be using it soon

I started doing Jelqs a very long time ago and added routines the past 8 years

so Aaron i have incooperated jelqing, Power jelq, clamping(every day) as well as FS what else do you recommend

@20 Well, first a couple of questions: 1) How often do you workout your penis each day 2) What are your erections like (Hard, average, weak)?

I've got a question as well when anyone is ready

I'm ready when you are

1) i stopped FS until the new year. and It takes me about an hour and a half for the manual.

Alright

I think we're allowed to have multiple questions at once?

Sure

@iron: How about your erections. Also, when was the last time you gained?

2 my erections are hard

wb

ha

I've been doing manual downward stretches along with my FSing the past couple months recently I've noticed a little minor tearing or ripping on the top part of my shaft. It doesn't hurt but with that I am gainging a lot more length ....could that be my tough collagenous tissues dividing and stretching finally?

It's inside my shaft

I know with hanging those tissues are more likely able to divide being it's more weight as opposed to a traction device which I believe exerts 3.5lbs of pressure

20: That's good. Your erections are hard, which shows that you aren't overtraning (a lot of men make a mistake here and do too much). However, 1.5 hours every day is a lot for a routine. You may want to lessen the time and increase the intensity in other ways (an extender, more force, etc.). Also, if you're gaining, stick with what you're doing. If not, you may want to change it up by switching around the exercises you use.

@iron: Be careful with the hanging, though. A lot of guys who start hanging jump into higher weights. I suggest starting with no more than 2, and gradually moving up from there.

No boat anchors.

I think a lot of men who hang jump for the high weight because they mistakenly think that's where Bib and the others gained the most at. The truth is, they slowly worked their way up to that weight (over a period of time)

I've been told that as well I figure my routine will not go past 5 lbs although I am more than likely conditioned for it

A lot of guys use the term "shocking the penis" and it works in a way such as weight shocking during training. I know if I drastically change my weight lifting routine my body can't adapt as easy and it allows for more gains in mass.

i've used the shocking routine with FS for 1 and 1/2 years

@ Good point. With several years, you probably are conditioned. The good news is that you can move through that light weight lower then.

@Brad: Good topic about shocking and changing it up. I think a lot of men get stuck in the same routine, similar to how they do with regular gym exercising.

Our bodies have an amazing abilitiy to adapt, so it's important to switch it around and "keep the body guessing," as many men advocate.

What i've done is not really change routines but add routines

I believe as conditioned as I am the new hanging incorporated in my rouine will bring good gains

so a question if your body adapts do that show a sorta cemented gain so to speak

One coule argue there's no benefit to shocking the penis too right? It's ligament and connective tissue remodeling - analagous to wearing braces, gradual force over an extended period of time.

That's a good point.

Brian: Great point. There's that fine line between changing it up and being consistent.

does anyone know about tough collagenous tissues

I think extenders work best for onsistent pressure, which is increased overtime of course.

that are within the shaft

I think exercises should be kept consistent to a point as well (I advocate always keeping the jelq as a main part of the routine... I like to call it the star QB of the PE team).

I always think you don't want to change it up too much, as you want to be able to track what works best and what doesn't.

#@%&amp;!!

none: browser issues? :)

Welcome back, noneone :)

Has anyone gained 3 or 4 inches from fastsizing?

yeah, firefox locks with a video plugin I need to replace (VLC plugin)

@Iron: The chambers in the penis are actually made of several tissues, collagen being one of them. Smooth muscle (read: muscle) cells are another big one -- making up nearly half of the chambers.

iron: not many have gained 3-4 inches from any type of PE regimen that I know of, but I'm sure they are out there

You may want to try Google Chrome. It works like magic.

Bib has gained 5.5 so to speak from weight hanging

aaron, how much does that dustpan guy hang?

Dustpan is out to set a record. The last I talked to him, it was over 100 pounds.

anyone that has gained in excess of 3" is doing so at the sacrifice of penile function, I'm guessing

Not bad for a guy who is retired!

Note: I don't recommend hanging that amount

That's alot

well i know the monks that pull the trucks hang more than that. :)

I'm going to go write an amazon review of your book "This guy told me to hang 100lb off my dick--WTF" ;)

lol

It can, of course, break your penis. Dustpan knows what he is doing and has spent several years conditioning himself for that weight.

I'd appreciate it if you didn't do that :) Speaking of, though, let me find a funny review I read

I guess he plans on mating with whales or something, to need that much size.

DLD has supposedly gained over 3 inches

God made me deficient - http://www.amazon.com/review/product/1434826317/ref=cm_cr_dp_synop?_encoding=UTF8&amp;showViewpoints=0&amp;sortBy=bySubmissionDateDescending#R33BCGXTU0KT41

sorry fellas g2g

ironwill, he did it via photoshop though

take care 20s

Opps, here it is: http://www.amazon.com/review/R33BCGXTU0KT41/ref=cm_cr_pr_cmt?_encoding=UTF8&amp;ASIN=1434826317

later sexmachine

Via photoshop?

Bye, 20! Thanks for stopping by.

"From the very first exercise--tie one end of a fishing line to your ding-a-ling, tie the other end to a cinder block, then drop the cinder block off a cliff--my weenus length began to increase exponentially..."

What would you offer in terms of a routine for someone who is brand new to PE and skeptical - but wants to try it for say 30 minutes a day?

iron, I'll pm you some links later--I think Brad is trying to keep this on topic (my bad ;) )

I believe especially from how much i've already gained from FSing that theres ways to increase length and width even more

To me scientifically it's almos a certainty

Brad: Good question. One thing I touched on in my book is that most men start out with more than they should. The positive feedback I've received on this fact as been great. In the beginning, I suggest a light routine that increases every week for 5 weeks.

For instance, for the first two weeks, I suggest 1 on, 2 off. This will allow men to assess their body clues.

When I first started jelqing many years ago I only did so for 10 minutes a day, even that results in significant benefit IMO.

For that 1 day, something like a 5 minute warm up, 10 minutes of jelqing, 5 of stretching, and some Kegels.

aaron, you think --&gt; good indicators = good (future) gains, or do gains come about sometime through fatigue that might (temporarily) _look_ like bad PI's ???

If the cells stretch or divide and grow what could keep them from growing more?

Interesting, Brian. I believe most men read about the "huge gainers" and automatically try to do more than they should

That's the issue I think a forum like Big Penis has. A lot of the vets talk about big gains and the new guys try to stretch 2 inches over erect length and run into serious problems.

I think jelqing is the best way to introduce yourself into PE and help with overall erectile quality.

@noneone: Great question. I was actually just talking about that the other day. I think we should all strive for positive PIs and body clues, however, sometimes when you get a negative PI it might be an indicator of growth... so long as you get the rest your penis needs.

Brad: I couldn't agree more! I honestly believe we would all be better off if we exercised our penis with the focus of harder erections. I think we would not only gain more, but we would be able to please more too.

will hanging go the wayside now that extenders are so popular? seems like a safer way of traction (ie, less force / more time, instead of more force / less time)

@iron, do you mean, how can we keep the cells in the penis growing and dividing forever?

I am doing both

PIs = Physiological Indicators, for anyone reading the chat log.

Yes

Yes@Aaron

Yea, sorry about that PIs = Physiolgoical Indicators. I call them "Body Clues" in my book, as they help you decide on when you should increase the intensity and when you should rest. It's indispensable knowledge for any guy who exercises his penis or uses an extender.

Personally, I feel that both extenders and hangers have their pros and cons.

I think moderating between excersises to keep the body from properly adapting to a specific regimen or routine

Very true

Extenders are great because 1) They require little work 2) They provide consistent pressure 3) You can exercise your penis throughout the day without anyone knowing

hanging just seems like a PITA with wrapping, etc. why not just stretch. you can deliver more force with your arms and you can control it better. seems like hanging would be in the middle, with extenders on the low-end of force (high-end for time) and stretching on the high-end of force (low time)

I think hanger provide for force for a short amount of time

Hanging is something I don't suggest expect for the most experienced veterans. That said, it does have it's pros 1) It provides a great way to keep increasing the intensity for experienced penile exercisers 2) It has proven to work for a lot of men

that in tern break thruough the tough collagenous tissues of the shaft

But it's also easy to overtrain with hanging, which A LOT of men do.

I read no more than 20 min sessions 3 sets

I'll start out at one

ironwill touched upon another good point of hanging: It's more for short-term traction, whereas extenders are for long-term (throughout the day)

1 20 min session as well as fast sizing, stretching, jelqing

Aaron: There's a lot talk amongst our users about whether or not to abstain from sex/masturbation after training their penis, I have my own theory on it (doesn't #$%^&* ng matter at ALL :) ) but I would like to have your input if possible?

While we're on the subject of devices, for any knew guys reading this, know that it's nearly always best to start with a light manual routine -- as Brian mentioned earlier. You don't have to hang to gain!

Brian: Another great point to bring up.

maxx - you were supposed to nix the curse word filer - idiot.

filter*

I did only jelqing for 2 years before pumping and FSing

I have a question for Aaron when you are ready

I wish I could say I had the master/definitive answer on the topic of masturbation, but there simply isn't enough evidence to swing ither way. That said, I will say this: I've talked to countless men who have ejaculated after most of their routines and reported large gains. So clearly it didn't stop them (and perhaps it helped them?).

On the other hand, it would make sense that we would want to avoid ejaculation during a penis workout as the goal is to make our penis bigger, and it often contracts after a PE workout.

*after we ejacluate, not after a PE workout

Yeah I would agree, I just think it's over-emphasized, if you have to deprive yourself from pleasure after taining, it creates a negative association with it.

yup

go ahead iron

even if there's a minor issue with it, the associative problem would be a bigger issue

Exacty. A negative association that is probably unnecessary. Listen, if you are gaining and ejaculating, then keep on doing it if it keeps the workouts fun. If, however, you have tried everything under the sun and aren't gaining, then you may want to start looking at things such as ejacualting.

Yeah that makes good sense

Aaron from what you know about hanging would that be able to bring out more of my inner part to gain 2 inches or more?

I have at least 2 inches to go

Iron: It depends. Several men gain that from hanging, whereas others don't gain a thing. I often advise the men who don't gain with hanging to try other methods (taking breaks every month, getting enough rest, etc.), and that tends to work for them.

Also, make sure you hang (this goes for stretching too) in multiple angels.

Hey shield

It certainly sounds logical

Hang upwards to stretch the entire penis, both outer and inner.

hey guys,sorry I'mlate

Welcome, shield.

we'll let it slide this time .... no pun intended

Really? hanging upwards stretches the entire part?

Hi Wanna ... welcome

tried stretching upward but it's uncomfortable... is that detrimental to overall results?

Hello and Thank you.

@ironwill: Yea. Try it. You may also want to try the Inner Stretch, which is great at stretching the inner penis

shield: I don't think so, most people feel stretching downward is a better stretch

I havne't used the FS stretching upward in about 1 year or more did so the other day and I believe I had a retraction issue take place? can you explain that Aaron? As well explain Inner stretch?

I feel a better stretch downward, like its stretching the tunica AND ligament... is there some benefit to stretchign upward besides just variety?

@shield: I advocate in stretching as many ways as possible to give your entire penis a workout, as stretching in different directions places the heart of the pressure in different areas.

ahhh, that I understand. Applying tension at different points in other words

@shield: Exactly

Maybe that's the answer to my problem certainly is logical

Hi aroneous

@iron: What happened with the retraction?

yo

As for the inner stretch, it's hard to explain by words alone, but I'll try.

I stretched upwards and it's like everything retracted back inside and I think that was an indication of new muscles being worked or stretched

and if you can explain the inner stretch i'd appreciate it

I do know with my stretching I'd attribute a lot of my gains to warming up in front of a hot air heater for 5-10mina to warm up tissue needs warmth to stretch and expand

Inner stretch: Use 1 hand to grasp the base of your penis and scrotum (don't grab your testicles!). Pull upward with the hand, and then simultaneously use the other hand to pull your penis straight up. Hold for 30 seconds.

Hiya sniper

Aaron I guess that's one of the stretches I did that in tern caused that retraction part to take place

Hi Brian

I wish I had the pictures on me. It's hard to explain with words alone. You can find step-by-step pictures of the internal stretch/inner stretch and 30 other exercises in Exercising the Penis.

That and an upward stretch with fastize

I know exactly what your talking about because that's what I did

Aaron, I'm not going to be able to stay very long, but I can read this later when it gets posted on the site. If you can answer this for us there are several I know who are interested; in trying to get a maximum workout on the caven cornivosum chambers (sp?) is it best to jelq while erect to get a max length result, and if so what methods do you recommend? If anyone else has already asked this I apologize...

Yea, I think you might of hit the nail on the head when you said you were stretching a new area that your penis wasn't use to

Yup

@shield, that's okay. Great talking to you. I'll answer your question.

When it comes to length, the mantra is to actual exercise with a lower erection level (e.g. 50 percent erect). Jelqing with a higher erection level tends to produce more girth than it does length (thought this isn't true for everyone).

By the way (sidenote) - We'll be adding Aaron's book as a redeemable item for points on the forum soon.

Thank you, Brian :) I also recommend reading Lamm's book too (Hardness Factor). It has a lot of great information on keeping the penis hard and healthy, plus the supplements he mentions *might* even help with growth.

Jump in anytime fellas if you have a question.

I have another one

Okay

thanks Aaron, how about some tips to gaining length, aside from FastSize? Always trying to eke out another half inch you know...

Are there any exercises for peyronies?

When I was manually stretching downward and I felt the minor tear. It didn't hurt but like a extreme stretch then after my session of fastsize I was the longest i've been yet. Could that minor tear or stretch of been my tough collagenous tissues giving way and allowing my inner part to come out?

@shield: I suggest sticking with it, continually read what you can (I talk about countless of tips in my book that we don't have enough time to talk about here), and track your results. If you aren't gaining, there's a reason why. Find it.

I haveto go,looking forward to reading this when it gets posted. I for one appreciate your time and contribution, thanks!

Have a good one shield

Does anyone believe that ONLY manual stretches with lengthen and enlarge(girth) the penis?

@Shield: Take care. You're welcome. Glad you enjoyed it.

@sniper: One of the best things you can do is focus your exercises against the curve.

Or is it better to do manual along with the traction device, what are your thoughts on hanging?

I did a thing callled riding the stretch I believe it's called

For instance, let's say your penis curves left. Then focus the majority of your stretches to the right, as this places the pressure on the left CC and in turn stretches it more... thus allowing it to catch up to the right overtime (consistency is needed)

Should I do the exercises erect or half erect

Yeah, that's a good question, considering you have PD.

wanna grow I do all three

Presumably half-erect so you have more 'access' to the scar tissue

Okay, thanks

@Wannagrow: I've talked to countless of men who've gained with just manual exercises. Devices, manual, it's all a form of the same thing: exercising the penis in some way. That said, devices do have their benefits.

IWhen I was manually stretching downward and I felt the minor <br>tear. It didn't hurt but like a extreme stretch then after my session of fastsize I was the longest i've been yet. Could that minor tear or stretch of been my tough <br>collagenous tissues giving way and allowing my inner part to come out?

@sniper: On top of what Brian said, you may also want to massage the area with your hands and heat. Several men who've had PD report that it helps.

I will , thanks

You're welcome

@iron: Where was the tear at? Was it visible, or was it on the inside (of the penis, the ligaments?)

inside

The base, midshaft, near the glans?

base

@Aaron I know/heard it can be dangerous, but what is your thoughts on clamping and are the results as good as some ppl claim?

felt like a ligament

It was at the shaft or the base

When stretching with fastsize I always stretch downward since my curve is upward, do you think it matters whether Im stretching up or down?

It could be a ligament pop/tear if it was at the base. Several men have reported that after the initial scare of this occuring, they also noticed a gain. It's akin to PE surgey (in which they cut the ligaments).

I did too

noticed a gain

@Wanna: Clamping can be useful, but only when done right (it, like all devices, can be harmful when done wrong). I recommend starting with the manual version of clamping: The Uli. After a couple of months of doing ULIs and its variations, then your penis will most likely be conditioned to move up to clamping.

Ok thank you, I have to run going to the gym(trying to lose the dreaded FAT PAD LOl have a good night.

Have a good one Wanna

You too. Enjoy the gym.

You too

I will. I'll be going later as well :)

What I have read in some articles is that the tough collagenous tissues hold back most, As well I have also researched and Yep most report after this stage is broken through gains are incredible

One second.

The tissues that anchor everything to the pelvis

Hi Heat

Sure

What up?

Howzit goin?

When you detach the penis from the base it gets decidedly longer :-X

Very true

lol. A little too long in that scenario, I think

but that's pretty much the concept behind the surgery, correct?

Aaron: Concerning jelqing specifically, have you personally or anyone you've dealt with ever experienced any noticeable loss of sensitivity? (or perhaps increase)

Back. Heat, yea that is correct with the most popular form of penile lengthening surgery, they detach the ligaments.

FRom what I've read with a certain hanging program it works

did you see those pics of crash's weiner from surgery

Brian, personally, after six months, I've noticed an increase which I attribute to improved EQ.

but if you can get the tissues themselves to give way and exposure the inner part why pay 5 grand for surgery

A higher EQ means a fuller penis, which means more nerve endings can be stimulated

Another great question. While I was writing the book, I searched longed and hard for several weeks to find someone who noticed a loss of sensitivty or injured themselves in someone via penile exercisng. With the jelq, I found no one that could write back (e.g. not a story of a friend of a friend, an actual person). However, I did find one guy who appeared to have a long-term injury due to doing erect bends (which I don't recommend). It's a long story, but I think he's okay now.

There are, of course, many men who have temporary erectile dysfunction due to overtraining.

I think moderation is the best thing

Okay thanks

Minor injuries do happen. I recently gave myself a superficial thrombosis. I was definitely overdoing it with the constriction.

I'll be taking a few weeks off...

As for an increase in sensitivty, several men, including myself report that they feel more of a sensation due to exercises.

Yeah that's a definite benefit

Unless you have premature ejaculation issues :)

Yea, thrombosis tends to be the most serious injury, but it generally comes with "hard core" exercises (well beyond the standard jelq and strech).

For premature E just do PC excersises

nothing permanently damaging, fortunately

BrianW: That's where Kegels come in handy :)

kegels. lots of kegels

Heat89: Have you heard of EVO? That's been known to work wonders.

(for thrombosis)

I have not.

That thread scares me none. Wow... I never want to see a mutilated penis again.

but anything to expedite the healing would be fantastic

Hi kleinman

LoL @ Brad. I'm glad I didn't look then.

hi, all

I think letting doctors do that type of surgery is risky

yeah, fwiw that guy had (iirc) THREE surgeries. either way, bad scene imo.

Aaron, what's your opinion on the ROP or "ball zinger?"

The ancient egyptians used weight hanging, jelqing, other routines

(EVO) I talk about it my book and you might be able to find it if you Google it. EVO is basically a forumla of herbs that help increase blood flow. You take extra virgin olive oil, lavender essential oil, resemary essential oil, clary sage essential oil, and lemongrass essential oil, mix it together, and use it as a lubricant/rub it on your penis if you have thrombosis. The guy who created it, Eroset, cured his thrombosis in a matter of days.

Jelqing techniques are thousands of years old. That's probably a part of the reason they are viewed as primitive and ineffictive.

That sounds great because I already use a mixture of a few of those as lubricant for my jelqing.

@Heat: I've never used it either, although I've heard mixed reviews of both.

Yes there appears to be mixed reviews of ROP and peloop amongst our users too.

I use Abolene cream

for ANY type of jeqs

jelq's*

Make sure you use olive oil to dilute the other oils -- they are strong and can cause a rash for men with sensitive skin. Try it some where other than your penis first.

It's been used in the porn industry for years from what i've read

I do rash easily, personally.

Just a heads up: I have to leave in 10 minutes.

Good advice, thanks.

No problem, seems as though we'll be wrapping soon anyway

up*

Abolene creme in the pron industry, eh? I will have to look into it. Thank you, iron.

Yep

I've used that along with PE for 5 years

If your questions were not answered here you can ask them on Big Penis, or go to Aaron's site: www.pegym.com

I need to get some of you forum guys to review the Fastsize training lubricant, seems like people aren't aware we even made one

I'll be using it soon--I've got some

Great website, btw, Aaron.

It's a cleanser has vitamins and minerals in it leaves skin feeling soft

i volunteer for the training lubricant

Wow. I wasn't aware of that product at all.

Thank you, Brad. I'll also be launching a blog at the beginning of the new year. I'll be posting success stories, answering questions, and talking about other penile exercising-related topics on the blog. To see an early version of the blog, check out www.akemmer.com

I buy Abolene cream at the local eckerds for 8 bucks

lol

gotta go--thanks for stopping by Aaron. later all, Brian, Brad, folks

l8r

noneone: Good luck with your training. Have a great night.

Aaron: Thanks for helping us out today, manual penis training is becoming more and more of a topic on our forum and we could use more expert viewpoints of what to do and not do

take care none

BrianW: No problem. I just signed up for an account the other day, and I should be able to stop by here and there to answer more questions.

Okay great, thanks

Thank you for having me. Are there any more last-minute questions before I go?

I won't keep you.

Hey Aaron I appreciate your time

Thanks for coming.

and all your answers

I think next time we should try to do it a little later in the evening, probably get more guys that are available then.

Always nice to have an informed opinion.

Yup

I think having a chat like this is a great way to gain knowledge

Education seems to be the prize in PE

Iron, Heat, and every one else: You guys were great company. Thanks for stopping by.

Later man

Okay we'll go ahead and shut down the chat for now gentlemen, have a good one :)

Take care.

Education indeed! As Benjamin Franklin said, a minute planned is an hour earned. I think it can be applied to PE to -- a minute of educating yourself is size on the ruler earned :)